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		<title>By: Polly</title>
		<link>http://responsiblemarketing.com/blog/2008/10/23/the-door-to-door-salesman-from-hell/comment-page-2#comment-13244</link>
		<dc:creator>Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Thankk you sooo soo much for sharing, I just got done with the whole job shadowing bull**** and I had so many doubts but the money does look good. You just saved my future! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Thankk you sooo soo much for sharing, I just got done with the whole job shadowing bull**** and I had so many doubts but the money does look good. You just saved my future!</p>
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		<title>By: C2kazg</title>
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		<dc:creator>C2kazg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get real. If I let one of these pushy reps who refuse to take no for an answer through to my boss, she might fire &quot;my ass.&quot; Those who refuse to take no for an answer or bully their way in are an every day annoyance, either by phone or the front door. Our administrative assistant is trained to let them know we are not looking and politely turn them away, but there are those who won&#039;t take no for an answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get real. If I let one of these pushy reps who refuse to take no for an answer through to my boss, she might fire &#8220;my ass.&#8221; Those who refuse to take no for an answer or bully their way in are an every day annoyance, either by phone or the front door. Our administrative assistant is trained to let them know we are not looking and politely turn them away, but there are those who won&#8217;t take no for an answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Sully8384</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sully8384</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 06:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quill outsources sales to fly by night pyramid scheme marketing firms, insulating themselves from responsibility for the actions of staff, mainly to allow them to offer no benefits and no pay to the &quot;contract employees&quot;. They wouldn&#039;t let him take or leave a card, because Quill views this as the first step to building a relationship with a customer, and as such their hired guns are not allowed to build a client base as they would be able to take that group of contacts with them if (read when) they left, they are not allowed to follow up with clients, and are only compensated if the customers they follow up with re-order 3 times in the next 6 months, this coupled with not being allowed to call them back on pain of termination virtually assures they won&#039;t have to pay the commission they promise, another immediate termination infraction is tell the customer that Quill is owned by Staples, the conglomerate wants to expand Quills market share, but not at the expense of their Staples customers who pay more for the same exact products. He was working off the hard sell script, and clinging to it so desperately because it is drilled into his brain at uncompensated 1-3 hour &quot;atmosphere&quot; training indoctrination and brainwashing sessions before and after every day of work, I came across a deceptive job posting for one of the direct marketing pyramid scheme subcontractor/liability shield companies in Braintree MA, and responded, I went to an interview, and went along with a &quot;Sales Rep/Manager&quot; He had a kid to feed so I don&#039;t blame him for staying, but his job is as much about recruiting, and retaining a &quot;Sales Team&quot; of reps, and taking a cut off the top of all their sales, as selling pens and paper, google sydcor cydcor pyramid scheme and Quill, your can read about this for days, and hilarity will ensue, I assure you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quill outsources sales to fly by night pyramid scheme marketing firms, insulating themselves from responsibility for the actions of staff, mainly to allow them to offer no benefits and no pay to the &#8220;contract employees&#8221;. They wouldn&#8217;t let him take or leave a card, because Quill views this as the first step to building a relationship with a customer, and as such their hired guns are not allowed to build a client base as they would be able to take that group of contacts with them if (read when) they left, they are not allowed to follow up with clients, and are only compensated if the customers they follow up with re-order 3 times in the next 6 months, this coupled with not being allowed to call them back on pain of termination virtually assures they won&#8217;t have to pay the commission they promise, another immediate termination infraction is tell the customer that Quill is owned by Staples, the conglomerate wants to expand Quills market share, but not at the expense of their Staples customers who pay more for the same exact products. He was working off the hard sell script, and clinging to it so desperately because it is drilled into his brain at uncompensated 1-3 hour &#8220;atmosphere&#8221; training indoctrination and brainwashing sessions before and after every day of work, I came across a deceptive job posting for one of the direct marketing pyramid scheme subcontractor/liability shield companies in Braintree MA, and responded, I went to an interview, and went along with a &#8220;Sales Rep/Manager&#8221; He had a kid to feed so I don&#8217;t blame him for staying, but his job is as much about recruiting, and retaining a &#8220;Sales Team&#8221; of reps, and taking a cut off the top of all their sales, as selling pens and paper, google sydcor cydcor pyramid scheme and Quill, your can read about this for days, and hilarity will ensue, I assure you.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
		<link>http://responsiblemarketing.com/blog/2008/10/23/the-door-to-door-salesman-from-hell/comment-page-2#comment-13239</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah sure Tim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah sure Tim.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
		<link>http://responsiblemarketing.com/blog/2008/10/23/the-door-to-door-salesman-from-hell/comment-page-2#comment-13238</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &quot;no solicitation&quot; sign is not a rule. and it shouldn&#039;t deter anyone.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A &#8220;no solicitation&#8221; sign is not a rule. and it shouldn&#8217;t deter anyone. </p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice Glint, I like your style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice Glint, I like your style.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you little receptionists that are on here bitching crack me up. Its irresponsible and ignorant to state &quot;i dont care about saving money, i wont buy because he was pushy whatever...&quot;

you dont care BECAUSE ITS NOT YOUR MONEY..you just dont want to be bothered.
Quill can save you money on office supplies, the savings may seem marginal but you know over the year they add up.  You all get annoyed with these salesmen, well they&#039;re annoyed at the constant ignorance at these businesses. They know they can help you save and are trying to help you out. so give them a break. and care about saving your workplace money, you&#039;d care if we were talking about your personal checking account.

If my receptionist or account manager pushed a salesman out the door before I had a chance to see what was up with what he had to offer I&#039;d fire her ass.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you little receptionists that are on here bitching crack me up. Its irresponsible and ignorant to state &#8220;i dont care about saving money, i wont buy because he was pushy whatever&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>you dont care BECAUSE ITS NOT YOUR MONEY..you just dont want to be bothered.<br />
Quill can save you money on office supplies, the savings may seem marginal but you know over the year they add up.  You all get annoyed with these salesmen, well they&#8217;re annoyed at the constant ignorance at these businesses. They know they can help you save and are trying to help you out. so give them a break. and care about saving your workplace money, you&#8217;d care if we were talking about your personal checking account.</p>
<p>If my receptionist or account manager pushed a salesman out the door before I had a chance to see what was up with what he had to offer I&#8217;d fire her ass.  </p>
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		<title>By: Crock</title>
		<link>http://responsiblemarketing.com/blog/2008/10/23/the-door-to-door-salesman-from-hell/comment-page-2#comment-13235</link>
		<dc:creator>Crock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REPOST BUT MUST BE SEEN

I just turned down this job after going on the second interview and 
deciding I&#039;d rather pursue other opportunities (after reading this blog 
fyi). They broke down the commissions for me which is as follows...

28% commissions on new account purchases ONLY
20 dollars if you have them do it online.

100 dollar bonus for 8 new applicants in 1 week, 250 dollars for 10

It
 doesn&#039;t sound too bad until you get to the fine print, which basically 
states that in order to receive ANY commissions whatsoever, the buyer 
has to 
A) never used or bought from quill before or 
B) hasn&#039;t had any account activity in 1 or more years.

This
 means that if you sell somebody 500 worth or paper and ink, but they 
bought a box of paper clips 11 months ago, you don&#039;t get crap! (I think 
its 5 dollars or so but still)

This is why these fresh college 
grads are so desperate to make you buy something while they&#039;re there, 
because if you don&#039;t, they don&#039;t make any money.  They also have to pay 
for their own gas without being reimbursed. I actually saw myself losing
 money if I took this job.  They also &quot;promise&quot; promotion within the 
first year, but yet when I asked my &quot;shadower&quot; when he expects to be 
promoted he said &quot;hopefully within the next 6 months&quot;. He has already 
been working there for 2 years and has to relocate to NYC from Chicago 
for there to be any chance of that happening. I asked what it takes to 
be promoted and he said &quot;you&#039;ll have to wait until after training and 
they will explain all that to you&quot;.  While I was out with him I said to 
myself...F THIS. But instead of declining the offer I accepted to put a 
little sh*t thru there fans. I &quot;started&quot; today but was a no show. F them
 they&#039;re scamming kids like me to basically start their careers here and
 reap all the benefits of paying for your own gas and making 200 bucks a
 week.  If you get a job offer that seems too good to be true, it most 
likely is. If your applying to sales jobs online I recommend only taking
 interviews from legit businesses like AT&amp;T or Enterprise.  As for 
the non-A hole quill reps, give them a break they&#039;re unfortunately too 
naive to see thru these company&#039;s. Shine some light for them and tell 
them to quit and run like hell.      </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REPOST BUT MUST BE SEEN</p>
<p>I just turned down this job after going on the second interview and<br />
deciding I&#8217;d rather pursue other opportunities (after reading this blog<br />
fyi). They broke down the commissions for me which is as follows&#8230;</p>
<p>28% commissions on new account purchases ONLY<br />
20 dollars if you have them do it online.</p>
<p>100 dollar bonus for 8 new applicants in 1 week, 250 dollars for 10</p>
<p>It<br />
 doesn&#8217;t sound too bad until you get to the fine print, which basically<br />
states that in order to receive ANY commissions whatsoever, the buyer<br />
has to<br />
A) never used or bought from quill before or<br />
B) hasn&#8217;t had any account activity in 1 or more years.</p>
<p>This<br />
 means that if you sell somebody 500 worth or paper and ink, but they<br />
bought a box of paper clips 11 months ago, you don&#8217;t get crap! (I think<br />
its 5 dollars or so but still)</p>
<p>This is why these fresh college<br />
grads are so desperate to make you buy something while they&#8217;re there,<br />
because if you don&#8217;t, they don&#8217;t make any money.  They also have to pay<br />
for their own gas without being reimbursed. I actually saw myself losing<br />
 money if I took this job.  They also &#8220;promise&#8221; promotion within the<br />
first year, but yet when I asked my &#8220;shadower&#8221; when he expects to be<br />
promoted he said &#8220;hopefully within the next 6 months&#8221;. He has already<br />
been working there for 2 years and has to relocate to NYC from Chicago<br />
for there to be any chance of that happening. I asked what it takes to<br />
be promoted and he said &#8220;you&#8217;ll have to wait until after training and<br />
they will explain all that to you&#8221;.  While I was out with him I said to<br />
myself&#8230;F THIS. But instead of declining the offer I accepted to put a<br />
little sh*t thru there fans. I &#8220;started&#8221; today but was a no show. F them<br />
 they&#8217;re scamming kids like me to basically start their careers here and<br />
 reap all the benefits of paying for your own gas and making 200 bucks a<br />
 week.  If you get a job offer that seems too good to be true, it most<br />
likely is. If your applying to sales jobs online I recommend only taking<br />
 interviews from legit businesses like AT&amp;T or Enterprise.  As for<br />
the non-A hole quill reps, give them a break they&#8217;re unfortunately too<br />
naive to see thru these company&#8217;s. Shine some light for them and tell<br />
them to quit and run like hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Crock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just turned down this job after going on the second interview and deciding I&#039;d rather pursue other opportunities (after reading this blog fyi). They broke down the commissions for me which is as follows...

28% commissions on new account purchases ONLY
20 dollars if you have them do it online.

100 dollar bonus for 8 new applicants in 1 week, 250 dollars for 10

It doesn&#039;t sound too bad until you get to the fine print, which basically states that in order to receive ANY commissions whatsoever, the buyer has to 
A) never used or bought from quill before or 
B) hasn&#039;t had any account activity in 1 or more years.

This means that if you sell somebody 500 worth or paper and ink, but they bought a box of paper clips 11 months ago, you don&#039;t get crap! (I think its 5 dollars or so but still)

This is why these fresh college grads are so desperate to make you buy something while they&#039;re there, because if you don&#039;t, they don&#039;t make any money.  They also have to pay for their own gas without being reimbursed. I actually saw myself losing money if I took this job.  They also &quot;promise&quot; promotion within the first year, but yet when I asked my &quot;shadower&quot; when he expects to be promoted he said &quot;hopefully within the next 6 months&quot;. He has already been working there for 2 years and has to relocate to NYC from Chicago for there to be any chance of that happening. I asked what it takes to be promoted and he said &quot;you&#039;ll have to wait until after training and they will explain all that to you&quot;.  While I was out with him I said to myself...F THIS. But instead of declining the offer I accepted to put a little sh*t thru there fans. I &quot;started&quot; today but was a no show. F them they&#039;re scamming kids like me to basically start their careers here and reap all the benefits of paying for your own gas and making 200 bucks a week.  If you get a job offer that seems too good to be true, it most likely is. If your applying to sales jobs online I recommend only taking interviews from legit businesses like AT&amp;T or Enterprise.  As for the non-A hole quill reps, give them a break they&#039;re unfortunately too naive to see thru these company&#039;s. Shine some light for them and tell them to quit and run like hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just turned down this job after going on the second interview and deciding I&#8217;d rather pursue other opportunities (after reading this blog fyi). They broke down the commissions for me which is as follows&#8230;</p>
<p>28% commissions on new account purchases ONLY<br />
20 dollars if you have them do it online.</p>
<p>100 dollar bonus for 8 new applicants in 1 week, 250 dollars for 10</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t sound too bad until you get to the fine print, which basically states that in order to receive ANY commissions whatsoever, the buyer has to<br />
A) never used or bought from quill before or<br />
B) hasn&#8217;t had any account activity in 1 or more years.</p>
<p>This means that if you sell somebody 500 worth or paper and ink, but they bought a box of paper clips 11 months ago, you don&#8217;t get crap! (I think its 5 dollars or so but still)</p>
<p>This is why these fresh college grads are so desperate to make you buy something while they&#8217;re there, because if you don&#8217;t, they don&#8217;t make any money.  They also have to pay for their own gas without being reimbursed. I actually saw myself losing money if I took this job.  They also &#8220;promise&#8221; promotion within the first year, but yet when I asked my &#8220;shadower&#8221; when he expects to be promoted he said &#8220;hopefully within the next 6 months&#8221;. He has already been working there for 2 years and has to relocate to NYC from Chicago for there to be any chance of that happening. I asked what it takes to be promoted and he said &#8220;you&#8217;ll have to wait until after training and they will explain all that to you&#8221;.  While I was out with him I said to myself&#8230;F THIS. But instead of declining the offer I accepted to put a little sh*t thru there fans. I &#8220;started&#8221; today but was a no show. F them they&#8217;re scamming kids like me to basically start their careers here and reap all the benefits of paying for your own gas and making 200 bucks a week.  If you get a job offer that seems too good to be true, it most likely is. If your applying to sales jobs online I recommend only taking interviews from legit businesses like AT&amp;T or Enterprise.  As for the non-A hole quill reps, give them a break they&#8217;re unfortunately too naive to see thru these company&#8217;s. Shine some light for them and tell them to quit and run like hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Calvinosibley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calvinosibley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding what Karen wrote below, I have an insider&#039;s perspective on this issue, having worked as a door-to-door salesman for Quill myself.  Although I do agree that not all door-to-door salesmen are rude and pushy, you also have to remember that corporate culture starts at the top and the attitude of management and the executives is reflected in all of the employees.  When I worked for Quill, the management was quick to be nice when you were providing them services as salesmen, but as soon as I voiced my opinion about some of their questionable sales practices the got nasty.  In fact, during the meeting when I brought up my concerns with the branch manager and my immediate superior they got so rude and insulting that I quit on the spot.  

Quill needs to understand that effective selling is based on relationships - not on just making an effective &quot;pitch&quot;.  If this salesperson had actually listened to the author and respected their time and space, he would have been much more effective with this sales call.  This is really a good lesson for anyone in sales, as I still am although not of the door-to-door kind.  If you want to know what not to do, this is it.  Be a good listener, respect your prospect and focus on building relationships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding what Karen wrote below, I have an insider&#8217;s perspective on this issue, having worked as a door-to-door salesman for Quill myself.  Although I do agree that not all door-to-door salesmen are rude and pushy, you also have to remember that corporate culture starts at the top and the attitude of management and the executives is reflected in all of the employees.  When I worked for Quill, the management was quick to be nice when you were providing them services as salesmen, but as soon as I voiced my opinion about some of their questionable sales practices the got nasty.  In fact, during the meeting when I brought up my concerns with the branch manager and my immediate superior they got so rude and insulting that I quit on the spot.  </p>
<p>Quill needs to understand that effective selling is based on relationships &#8211; not on just making an effective &#8220;pitch&#8221;.  If this salesperson had actually listened to the author and respected their time and space, he would have been much more effective with this sales call.  This is really a good lesson for anyone in sales, as I still am although not of the door-to-door kind.  If you want to know what not to do, this is it.  Be a good listener, respect your prospect and focus on building relationships.</p>
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